Despite massive efforts, this is going to be extremely difficult to effectively spin to be anything except a major brainlock by Berger, a complete disregard of security clearance requirements, and astounding only in its stupidity.

As evidence of the lameness of the spin, is the simple effect to explain this as an inadvertant accident - as if someone can inadvertantly stuff restricted documents into their pants and socks. After all, if the removal was inadvertant - why hide the bloody things?

This also will be a major focal point for the mainstream media - do they cover this story as it deserves or bury it as the NY Times attempted to do today. The key point was made in the posting - will it be covered the same way if it were Condi Rice who "inadvertantly" removed and destroyed documents.

BTW - the latest spin is now that this isn't a bug deal since all that were taken and "lost" were "copies". Sounds like a revisit to the Clinton spin of 1998.

But why would the archive emplyee alert Clinton's lawyer instead of the FBI? This stinks to heaven.

i am shocked, shocked, mind you, that a clinton administration official would try to get rid of incriminating documents before testifying to the 9/11 commission. remember the blue dress, guys; for the clintonistas what cant be proven conclusively never really existed. no evidence, no wrongdoing.

Does anyone remember if it was minutes or seconds that were "inadvertently missing" from the Nixon tapes?

“as if someone can inadvertantly stuff restricted documents into their pants and socks” — actually, according to Fox News, the claim about inadvertancy pertains to copies put into a leather portfolio only.

35 words from “Sandy Berger Probed Over Terror Memos,” Fox News, July 20, 2004:

Berger and his lawyer said Monday night he knowingly removed the handwritten notes by placing them in his jacket, pants and socks, and also inadvertently took copies of actual classified documents in a leather portfolio.

But others have denied that Berger stuffed anything into his socks. Fox News attributes the socks claim as an admission by Berger & his lawyer themselves. But...

87 words from CNN’s “Feds probe Clinton aide over missing papers” July 20, 2004:

Law enforcement sources said archive staff told FBI agents they saw Berger placing items in his jacket and pants, and one archive staffer told agents that Berger also placed something in his socks.

President Clinton's former spokesman, Joe Lockhart, said Berger "categorically denies that he ever took documents and stuffed them in his socks.

[snip]

Former Clinton aide Lanny Davis challenged any unnamed official who accuses Berger of stuffing documents into his socks to come forward and level that charge publicly.

"I suggest that person is lying...."

Yet, Fox says that Berger & his lawyer themselves admitted this.

Will Fox stand by the socks? We need to hear directly from Berger & his lawyer. C’mon, Sandy, sock it to us—even though you’ve already hung up your socks!

Why anyone would ever take a democrat seriously any more is beyond me.

Steve, it was minutes — something like 16 of them — in the famous Rosemary Woods gap in the Nixon tapes.

Walter: I feel very sorry for you. Having completely written the Democrats off, the Republicans now have no reason to listen to you, since you will never vote for any other major party. Now that you've got a non-responisive government you could live in any country.

1. I think we all have to admit that too much attention is being paid to the political mileage, on both sides.

2. When did Kerry know, and was he ignorant up until Berger resigned? Has anyone asked that? If Kerry was ignorant to that point, it's forthrightness on the part of his campaign that resignation was immediate.

3. GOPUSA.com says Kerry campaign ideas on defense and security were removed from the Kerry campaign web site. This, too, would represent forthrightness on the part of the Kerry campaign, a demonstration that they're sensitive to the idea that they may have been sharing sensitive info. Yet GOPUSA seems to be playing it for their own political points, as if the campaign had done something dishonest. Now here's the kicker: presume the information was sensitive and shouldn't have been shared (otherwise GOPUSA shouldn't care at all); GOPUSA.com then proceeds to tell its web visitors the specifics of the withdrawn content. So much for national security concerns...

4. Over at InstaPundit, Glenn Reynolds is oblivious to suspicions that the Berger leak might have been done to eclipse the 9/11 report. As of yesterday, David Gergen and his suspicions -- which made the Washington Times, even -- hadn't even been mentioned. Yet Reynolds complains that the press will bury the Berger story in order to cover 9/11 (?? what's the bigger story, you have to ask...), and even suggests that Karl Rove advise all repubs to start their conversations on the 9/11 report with a claim that the commission may not have known everything because of Berger.

The national security concerns and the law really matter. It just takes a while before you separate them from the hooha.

"The national security concerns and the law really matter. It just takes a while before you separate them from the hooha".

How long do you think you might need this time ,Frank?

The national security concerns and the law matter?
That's good to know.

"I think we all have to admit that too much attention is being paid to the political mileage, on both sides."

Think so, do you? Then speak for yourself. Drop the hooha about what "we" all have to do.

How about let's separate out who's making political points based in what actualy happened, who is telling the truth about it, and who is just spouting off hooha.

Did Sandy Berger take classified documents from the National Security Archives?

Do you think he took them "inadvertently" or is that hooha?
Do you think he "misplaced" the ones he didn't return? Think that's the truth or more hooha?

How about all that hooha about "Bush lied" - you ever get the hooha separated out from the truth on that one yet?

How about that UN- you get the hooha separated out from the "Oil for dictators and lining our pockets" program?

Glenn Reynolds is oblivious?

I don't think the word oblivious means anything even close to what you think it means.

"What's the bigger story, you have to ask...)"- No you don't have to ask what's the bigger story, you have to ask whether or not the Commission got the truth when someone called to testify and tell them the truth is caught stealing material relevant to that truth and then claims he lost it or might have thrown it out with the trash.

And as long as the NYT purports to be writing the news , you have to ask if there's serious reasons to suspect an agenda in how they cover it.

You feel sorry for Walter?

I feel sorry for the people whose lives are on the line to protect the lives of all the oblivious idiots and liars who lost their minds to Bush Derangement Syndrome. They could live in any country too. I suggest France.

Frank, I very seldom vote Republican, but I have not voted for a Democrat since Jimmie sold us down the river and endorsed slavery.
Republicans are often silly - democrats are almost always hazardous to the country's health.

Why anyone would ever take a Fox News seriously any more is beyond me.

I guess Walter would have to answer that, since it was him who lumped all Democrats together.

Or maybe Cheney?

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