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August 01, 2004

DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU HEAR ABOUT JOHN KERRY'S MILITARY CAREER


In the service of truth and full disclosure about John Kerry’s Viet Nam record Horsefeathers reproduces statements from eighteen men who served in the Swift Boat Service at the same time and/or place as John Kerry. You will be surprised and enlightened by their views. (And Horsefeathers tips its hat to that great teacher of history, Richard K. Munro. Thanks.)

"We resent very deeply the false war crimes charges he made coming back from Vietnam in 1971 and repeated in the book 'Tour of Duty.' We think those cast an aspersion on all those living and dead, from our unit and other units in Vietnam. We think that he knew he was lying when he made the charges, and we think that they're unsupportable. We intend to bring the truth about that to the American people. We believe, based on our experience with him, that he is totally unfit to be the Commander-in-Chief." -- John O'Neill, spokesman, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth


"I do not believe John Kerry is fit to be Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces of the United States. This is not a political issue. It is a matter of his judgment, truthfulness, reliability, loyalty and trust -- all absolute tenets of command. His biography, 'Tour of Duty,' by Douglas Brinkley, is replete with gross exaggerations, distortions of fact, contradictions and slanderous lies. His contempt for the military and authority is evident by even a most casual review of this biography. He arrived in-country with a strong anti-Vietnam War bias and a self-serving determination to build a foundation for his political future. He was aggressive, but vain and prone to impulsive judgment, often with disregard for specific tactical assignments. He was a 'loose cannon.' In an abbreviated tour of four months and 12 days, and with his specious medals secure, Lt.(jg) Kerry bugged out and began his infamous betrayal of all United States forces in the Vietnam War. That included our soldiers, our marines, our sailors, our coast guardsmen, our airmen, and our POWs. His leadership within the so-called Vietnam Veterans Against the War and testimony before Congress in 1971 charging us with unspeakable atrocities remain an undocumented but nevertheless meticulous stain on the men and women who honorably stayed the course. Senator Kerry is not fit for command." -- Rear Admiral Roy Hoffman, USN (retired), chairman, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth


"During Lt.(jg) Kerry's tour, he was under my command for two or three specific operations, before his rapid exit. Trust, loyalty and judgment are the key, operative words. His turncoat performance in 1971 in his grubby shirt and his medal-tossing escapade, coupled with his slanderous lines in the recent book portraying us that served, including all POWs and MIAs, as murderous war criminals, I believe, will have a lasting effect on all military veterans and their families. Kerry would be described as devious, self-absorbing, manipulative, disdain for authority, disruptive, but the most common phrase that you'd hear is 'requires constant supervision.'" -- Captain Charles Plumly, USN (retired)


"Thirty-five years ago, many of us fell silent when we came back to the stain of sewage that Mr. Kerry had thrown on us, and all of our colleagues who served over there. I don't intend to be silent today or ever again. Our young men and women who are serving deserve no less." --
Andrew Horne


"In my specific, personal experience in both coastal and river patrols over a 12-month period, I never once saw or heard anything remotely resembling the atrocities described by Senator Kerry. If I had, it would have been my obligation to report them in writing to a higher authority, and I would certainly have done that. If Senator Kerry actually witnessed or participated in these atrocities or, as he described them, 'war crimes,' he was obligated to report them. That he did not until later when it suited his political purposes strikes me as opportunism of the worst kind. That he would malign my service and that of his fellow sailors with no regard for the truth makes him totally unqualified to serve as Commander-in-Chief." -- Jeffrey Wainscott

"I signed that letter because I, too felt a deep sense of betrayal that someone who took the same oath of loyalty as I did as an officer in the United States Navy would abandon his group here (points to group photo) to join this group here (points to VVAW protest photo), and come home and attempt to rally the American public against the effort that this group was so valiantly pursuing. It is a fact that in the entire Vietnam War we did not lose one major battle. We lost the war at home ... and at home, John Kerry was the Field General." -- Robert Elder


"My daughters and my wife have read portions of the book 'Tour of Duty.' They wanted to know if I took part in the atrocities described. I do not believe the things that are described happened. Let me give you an example. In Brinkley's book, on pages 170 to 171, about something called the 'Bo De massacre' on November 24th of 1968... In Kerry's description of the engagement, first he claimed there were 17 servicemen that were wounded. Three of us were wounded. I was the first..." -- Joseph Ponder .

"While in Cam Rahn Bay, he trained on several 24-hour indoctrination missions, and one special skimmer operation with my most senior and trusted Lieutenant. The briefing from some members of that crew the morning after revealed that they had not received any enemy fire, and yet Lt.(jg) Kerry informed me of a wound -- he showed me a scratch on his arm and a piece of shrapnel in his hand that appeared to be from one of our own M-79s. It was later reported to me that Lt.(jg) Kerry had fired an M-79, and it had exploded off the adjacent shoreline. I do not recall being advised of any medical treatment, and probably said something like 'Forget it.' He later received a Purple Heart for that scratch, and I have no information as to how or whom. Lt.(jg) Kerry was allowed to return to the good old USA after 4 months and a few days in-country, and then he proceeded to betray his former shipmates, calling them criminals who were committing atrocities. Today we are here to tell you that just the opposite is true. Our rules of engagement were quite strict, and the officers and men of Swift often did not even return fire when they were under fire if there was a possibility that innocent people -- fishermen, in a lot of cases -- might be hurt or injured. The rules and the good intentions of the men increased the possibility that we might take friendly casualties." -- Commander Grant Hibbard, USN (retired)

"Lt. Kerry returned home from the war to make some outrageous statements and allegations... of numerous criminal acts in violation of the law of war were cited by Kerry, disparaging those who had fought with honor in that conflict. Had war crimes been committed by US forces in Vietnam? Yes, but such acts were few and far between. Yet Lt. Kerry gave numerous speeches and testimony before Congress inappropriately leading his audiences to believe that what was only an anomaly in the conduct of America's fighting men was an epidemic. Furthermore, he suggested that they were being encouraged to violate the law of war by those within the chain of command. Very specific orders, on file at the Vietnam archives at Texas Tech University, were issued by my father [Admiral Elmo Zumwalt] and others in his chain of command instructing subordinates to act responsibly in preserving the life and property of Vietnamese civilians." -- Lt. Col. James Zumwalt, USMC , retired.


"We look at Vietnam... after all these years it is still languishing in isolated poverty and helplessness and tyranny. This is John Kerry's legacy. I deeply resent John Kerry's using his Swift boat experience, and his betrayal of those who fought there as a stepping-stone to his political ambitions." -- Barnard Wolff

"In a whole year that I spent patrolling, I didn't see anything like a war crime, an atrocity, anything like that. Time and again I saw American fighting men put themselves in graver danger trying to avoid... collateral damage. When John Kerry returned to the country, he was sworn in front of Congress. And then he told my family -- my parents, my sister, my brother, my neighbors -- he told everyone I knew and everyone I'd ever know that I and my comrades had committed unspeakable atrocities." -- David Wallace

"I served with these guys. I went on missions with them, and these men served honorably. Up and down the chain of command there was no acquiescence to atrocities. It was not condoned, it did not happen, and it was not reported to me verbally or in writing by any of these men including Lt.(jg) Kerry. In 1971, '72, for almost 18 months, he stood before the television audiences and claimed that the 500,000 men and women in Vietnam, and in combat, were all villains -- there were no heroes. In 2004, one hero from the Vietnam War has appeared, running for President of the United States and Commander-in-Chief. It just galls one to think about it." -- Captain George
Elliott, USN (retired)

"During the Vietnam War I was Task Force Commander at An Thoi, and my tour of duty was 13 months, from the end of Tet to the beginning of the Vietnamization of the Navy units. Now when I went there right after Tet, I was restricted in my movements. I couldn't go much of anyplace because the Vietcong controlled most of the area. When I left, I could go anywhere I wanted, just about. Commerce was booming, the buses were running, trucks were going, the waterways were filled with sampans with goods going to market, but yet in Kerry's biography he says that our operations were a complete failure. He also mentions a formal conference with me, to try to get more air cover and so on. That conference never happened..." -- Captain Adrian Lonsdale, USCG (retired)

"I was in An Thoi from June of '68 to June of '69, covering the whole period that John Kerry was there. I operated in every river, in every canal, and every off-shore patrol area in the 4th Corps area, from Cambodia all the way around to the Bo De River. I never saw, even heard of all of these so-called atrocities and things that we were supposed to have done. This is not true. We're not standing for it. We want to set the record straight." -- William Shumadine


"In 1971, when John Kerry spoke out to America, labeling all Vietnam veterans as thugs and murderers, I was shocked and almost brought to my knees, because even though I had served at the same time and same unit, I had never witnessed or participated in any of the events that the Senator had accused us of. I strongly believe that the statements made by the Senator were not only false and inaccurate, but extremely harmful to the United States' efforts in Southeast Asia and the rest of the world. Tragically, some veterans, scorned by the antiwar movement and their allies, retreated to a life of despair and suicide. Two of my crewmates were among them. For that there is no forgiveness. " -- Richard O'Meara

"My name is Steve Gardner. I served in 1966 and 1967 on my first tour of duty in Vietnam on Swift boats, and I did my second tour in '68 and '69, involved with John Kerry in the last 2 1/2 months of my tour. The John Kerry that I know is not the John Kerry that everybody else is portraying. I served alongside him and behind him, five feet away from him in a gun tub, and watched as he made indecisive moves with our boat, put our boats in jeopardy, put our crews in jeopardy... if a man like that can't handle that 6-man crew boat, how can you expect him to be our Commander-in-Chief?" -- Steven Gardner


"I served in Vietnam as a boat officer from June of 1968 to July of 1969. My service was three months in Coastal Division 13 out of Cat Lo, and nine months with Coastal Division 11 based in An Thoi. John Kerry was in An Thoi the same time I was. I'm here today to express the anger I have harbored for over 33 years, about being accused with my fellow shipmates of war atrocities. All I can say is when I leave here today, I'm going down to the Wall to tell my two crew members it's not true, and that they and the other 49 Swiftees who are on the Wall were then and are still now the best." -- Robert Brant

"I never saw, heard of, or participated in any Swift boat crews killing cattle, poisoning crops, or raping and killing civilians as charged by John Kerry, both in his book and in public statements. Since we both operated at the same time, in the same general area, and on the same missions under the same commanders, it is hard to believe his claims of atrocities and poor planning of Sea Lord missions. I signed this letter because I feel that he used Swift boat sailors to proclaim his antiwar statements after the war, and now he uses the same Swift boat sailors to support his claims of being a war hero. He cannot have it both ways, and we are here to ask for full disclosure of the proof of his claims." -- James Steffes .





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More on Kerry's military service here

Posted by: Stephen at August 2, 2004 04:06 AM

I think your headline is misleading, and if the New York Times did what you've done, you'd probably devote 5,000 words to it.

Your headline talks about Kerry's military career, yet practically everything I read (after stopping at eight or so) had to do with his protest career.

Surely you see the difference.

John Kerry served his country, and afterwards questioned the war. Would you deny him the right to freely speak his mind?

Posted by: Frank at August 2, 2004 08:51 AM

Frank, you are full of shit! The article specificallydeals with Kerry's mission performance. I just heard that Kerry borrowed a Marine's uniform to make his action recreation movie more "realistic". I am always suspicious when I see a sailor in camies.
John skipped out on serving his country just like Gore cut out early to go to Divinity School and Clinton skipped out to accept a scholarship from a racist oppressor of African blacks.

Posted by: Walter E. Wallis at August 2, 2004 07:02 PM

Walter, my man, how goes it?

I never said his time in Vietnam was unmentioned, only that the focus of what's posted is not his military career, but what he did stateside afterwards (protests, medals, discussions of atrocities, and so on). Don't be so challenged by his military career; Stephen has already told us we can ignore it because he does limp-wristed salutes.

Do you have a source for the borrowed uniform story, or is this along the lines of "I heard Hillary Clinton shot Vince Foster"?

Posted by: Frank at August 2, 2004 08:17 PM

I don't keep a log. I admit to having wondered why the navy wore camies in Kerry's little home movie reconstruction[see PT-109].
I must admit my own deficit - I only have a couple of faded B&W photos and the usual paperwork for my service, no Super-8. My Commo Sgt. Edison ***** was as gay as a butterfly but his hand salute was R.A. all the way. The swishers, except possibly the ossifers, usually kissed the examining doctor and got let go.

Posted by: Walter E. Wallis at August 2, 2004 08:40 PM

Why doesn't someone ask the Navy for a list of all of their personnel whose VN tours were shortened as a result of winning three Purple Hearts? File a Freedom of Information Request, if necessary.

I suspect this will be a very short list. If there are others who came home early I bet their combat wounds were much more serious, life-threathening, crippling, etc., than the superficial wounds John Kerry received.

Posted by: H.J. Dalton, Jr. at August 5, 2004 12:01 PM

Go ahead and do it yourself, HJ. Don't be a lazy fool who just spreads suspicion. See if you can also file one which will identify all the Yale alumni who checked off a box requesting that they not be sent to Nam. It would be interesting to see how many on that list are the President of the United States, wouldn't it?

Don't you understand this is a losing argument? Argue the issues, pud.

Posted by: Hired Contrarian at August 6, 2004 03:11 PM

Did Kerry only spend four and half months in Viet Nam? There has been some confusion as to the length of his in country service among my friends.

Posted by: bob ward at August 6, 2004 10:38 PM

Re John Kerry's "Israel/Pilot Story"

OK - why did this story clearly pointing out Kerry's exaggerations FIZZLE? And why isn't it being revived, now that the Kerry camp is sending in lawyers to attack those who accuse him of lying about his bravery?

Unless he spoke to TWO ADL's on the SAME DAY, there are major differences in what the johnkerry.com site provides as text, and what the ADL site provides.
I believe that the GOP dogs should be holding this this up as an example of Kerry's blatant lies about his BRAVERY (and integrity) He continues to use his 30 year old Vietnam
stories as an example of how he can lead the world in a fight against terror. More allegations about his motives surface,
and the GOP is accused of being disrespectful of his military history.

Good grief - they can't even decide when this Israeli Jet Ride happened. Earlier Jewish Advocate Reports 1986 was his "first trip" to Israel,
(I've removed the http from the urls)
interfaithfamily.com/article/issue139/asinof.phtml
MSNBC (via AP) gushes about Kerry, and mentions his Loop-to-Loop antics in a 1991 trip:

msnbc.msn.com/id/5453362/

Here is his new version of what he told the ADL:

(on johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2004_0503.html

After returning home from war in Vietnam, I’ve always had the sense that every other day is extra. And my many visits to Israel have shown me how this same sense prevails among some of the world’s strongest survivors – the Jewish people.

But I never understood this fragility and vulnerability more than when I first visited Israel on an ADL mission so many years ago. For days, my inner-Top Gun sought out a ride in an Israeli Air Force Jet. And when I finally got one, my inner-politician convinced the pilot to let me take control of the plane for awhile. But after a few minutes in the air – a few minutes – the pilot yelled for me to turn the plane around. “We just got in the air,” I told him. “I know,” he said. “But if we flew in any other direction for two minutes more, we would be flying into enemy territory.”

From that moment on, I felt as Israelis do: The promise of peace must be secure before the Promised Land is secure on a thin margin of land.

That first trip to Israel made real for me all I'd believed about Israel. I met people of stunning commitment, who honestly and vigorously debated the issues as I watched and listened intently. I went as a friend by conviction; I returned a friend at the deepest personal level.


Now here is the speech from the ADL site:

(on adl.org/adl_in_action/conference_2004_kerry.asp


But I want to share with you more personally why that is so, because you often hear those words. But it's important to understand sort of how they connect to somebody, what it means. And I want to do that particularly in the context of ADL. Because my first trip ever to Israel was under the guidance of not just ADL but Lenny Zakim. And we spent one entire week traveling through the country visiting.

And we traveled everywhere, to all of the sites, to the north, to a kibbutz, Kiryat Shemona, which I will never forget, because it was near a school where only a few years earlier children had been murdered, innocently. And we went down into a shelter where children had to take refuge when the Katyusha rockets came across the border from Lebanon.

We went up, of course, onto the Golan Heights to understand the strategic importance and to see how vital that high ground was, particularly at that moment, given where we stood; traveled also to the Sea of Galilee, to the Christian sites, the religious sites; actually stood on the Mount of the Beatitudes and read the Sermon on the Mount to those gathered with me.

And it happened that this was at a time of terrorism, and most trips had been cancelled. And we turned out to be the only people there, literally. And our guide, a fellow by the name of Yadin Roman, who publishes Eretz Israel magazine, turned to us and said, "You know, in all the years I've been here and all the years I've been a guide, I've never driven into this parking lot and seen it absolutely empty." And it was a time when, I think, Gary Hart had just cancelled his trip, and others had cancelled their trips.

So we had the privilege of standing on the mount alone, in this incredible solitude, looking down onto the water on an absolutely beautiful soft day, and reading and talking about what it meant, what the meaning was of this rabbi who was preaching on the mountain as his ministry of three years had begun.

And subsequently, we went south. I got to go down to the Ovda Air Base. We climbed Masada. I'll tell you about that in a minute.

But at Ovda Air Base -- I'm a pilot, and I was longing to get up into Israel airspace. And I made several requests of Tel Aviv, and Tel Aviv kept saying, "No, we don't think this is a good idea, for the senator to go flying."

Finally, I sort of nudged the colonel that I was with. And he was an ace from the '67 war. And I said, "Colonel, is there no way we could arrange this? Would you mind going back and calling Tel Aviv and see if we could do a flight?"

So lo and behold, he gets up from the table. And we're starting to eat. And he comes back about 10 minutes later, and he says, "Senator, I hope you don't eat too much. We're going flying."

So the next thing I know, I'm whisked out to the airport, which is right there, out to the airstrip, and he tells me, "Look, I'm not going to have time to give you all the instructions, but the minute we take off, it's your airplane."

Now I had never explained to him whether I'd ever flown a jet before or anything.

And he was very trusting. And I got out to the tarmac and I got into my suit and my helmet and jumped into the airplane. It was a trainer, a Fuga trainer. And I got in the front seat, he got in the back. He was indeed very trusting. That's why he was an ace! And we take off.

And literally, you know, we're about five feet above the runway and he gives me this signal with a stick, says, "Your plane." So I take it off. We go up into the sky. Climb up, head down towards Aqaba. And I wanted to look at Aqaba, so I'm coming down over Aqaba, and I suddenly hear this voice in the intercom and he says, "Senator, you better turn faster, you're going over Egypt." So I started to wrap it in and do a faster turn.

Then I asked him if I could do a loop, a little aerobatics. And he said fine. So I went up to about 12,000 feet and proceeded to go in and do a loop. And I want you to know, ladies and gentlemen, that to be able to come out upside down and look down and catch the horizon in back of me, and see all the way down into the Sinai, to the old base that had been given up, all the way across into Jordan, all the way out into the Gulf of Aqaba, and to see Israel beneath me, and the lines contained, and to see it all upside down was the perfect way to see the Middle East and Israel.

But in all seriousness, it was an extraordinary lesson to look off into Jordan and Syria, to see the Mediterranean, to see the entire Sinai, to get this tiny sense of how compacted and small it was -- reinforced, may I add, by a drive along the green line looking down those eight miles or so at the thinnest spot, to see the ocean and to recognize how just absolutely extraordinary it is.

Posted by: J Harris at August 8, 2004 11:50 AM

Why doesn't Kerry just release his Military records. And put a stop to all the speculation going on? By not releaseing those records, it seems he has something to hide!! And for those with short memory's; Think back to the Clinton campaign, when the Dem's were crying Military service should not be a factor. In the campaign for President. That's when there candidate was an admitted draft dodger. Funny how things can change! Now they have a War Hero, that is unwilling to release his records. Seem's the Dem's can't win.

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