Kerry is a sociopathic narcissist. A true scammer with a me-first complex. I have nothing but contempt for anyone who even considers voting for Kerry.

OK, the regulations get talked about a lot, but I thought that it didn't require that your wound had to be from enemy fire, but incurred during an action against the enemy? And I thought that it was those on other swift boats who were claiming there was no enemy fire, not those on Kerry's?

Sorry for not having a better score card, but so many of the Swifties have flip flopped over so many details, it's tough. The only lack of flip flops, perhaps, is the actual military records.

This looks like another post where the beef is not really with Kerry, but with the regulations.

Oh, and I forgot: COnrad, you're psychobabbling.

Frank, you're as full of crap as always.

If you're confused with your scorecard, go over to Swiftvets.com and write to one of the moderators.

The beef is with Kerry being a liar, lying about his record, lying about his wounds, lying about Cambodia, lying about fellow soldiers, lying about the actions of fellow soldiers-- but, of course, those are all the things that endear him to you.

Grumpy, you're simply wrong on this count. Swift Boat Vets have done so many flip flops that you can't believe them; one of the signees also claimed personal knowledge when it was third hand at best.

You can try to suggest that Kerry's honesty is at question, but until you provide some credible evidence, your dog won't hunt.

Get on with the issues: how has Bush done in the last four years? Are you better off now than you were four years ago?

A good read on media complicity in this affair can be found here.

Frank, did you ask your questions to the moderators at SwiftVets yet?- Come back when you know what you are talking about.

The SwiftVets aren't running for President. this isn't a game to see if you can find something wrong with something one or two -- or even twenty-seven of them said.

Kerry is the issue. He's a liar.
He lied on the medal applications, he lied on the reports, he lied in his testimony, he lied about being in Cambodia, he lied about his fellow soldiers and sailors.

Send him a letter. Tell him to release the records.

Bush has done better than I would have expected- I never voted for him or any Republican in my life until 2002. Bush doesn't have to do anything to convince me of anything when people like you support the opposition. This is a Democracy- the Government is supposed to be responsible to the people. I don't want a Government that would consider responding to you.

The question is whether I'll be better off in 2005 and beyond with someone who understands we're at war with crazed psychopaths or a liar who want's to be more sensitive to the French and represent the Idiotarians and Pacifascists of America.

Not a hard for question for me. .

Grumpy, there case has already been debunked. It gets debunked every day, and if you visit foxnews.com today, you can see yet another debunking... I don't need to visit their web site and personally pose questions; they have to present a stronger case. Got it?

If all that has been in the press (what with Rood this weekend, this latest report at foxnews.com, and so on) isn't enough for you to learn from, then you must have a lot of learning to catch up on.

Frank, you're full of crap.
Fox News hasn't debunked anything.

Do they have evidence that Kerry's commanding oficer did sign his purple heart request?

Do they have evidence that he was in Camobdia?

Do they have evidence of the war crimes that he accused other's of?

Kerry is a liar.
You are a willing useful idiot for his campaign.

You don't to go anywhere to learn anything that disputes what you already decided to believe?
And you're proud of it to boot.

That's the problem.

At least we have a candidate for President that understands the nature of the war and isn't worried about being responsive to idiots and liars.

Grumpy, please help me with this. Since Bush has now defended Kerry's record in Vietnam, are we to add this to the list of Bush's lies? I'm just trying to keep it straight. Since so many Republicans are visiting next week, I just want to make sure I don't say the wrong thing, so any guidance you can give us poor ignorant New Yorkers would be appreciated. It looks like we've been misdirected completely to this point, and we need YOU to roll away the stone. Are we seeing you Sunday morning, my messiah?

Republicans are welcome to New York. We feel that they, like us, love this country and only want the best for it. Pig headed idiots can go to somewhere else.

Frank, you're an ass. Pompous ass to be more precise.

You aren't trying to keep anything straight at all. If you were you would admit that you have no answer to any question you've been asked and yet still can't get up the nerve to raise your own questions directly with the primary source- Instead you simply continue to disparage the same people that you pridefully won't speak to.

I suspect your ability to keep anything straight is rapidly withering away from disuse.

Bush Derangement Syndrome.
You should check out the support group I linked for you.

They may be able to find you a research center willing to pay you for the opportunity of treating such a classic case.

Otherwise, if you should decide to follow your own advise about pig-headed idiots, I will applaud your decision.

Write if you find work

As much as I try to retain my modesty, Grumpy, I need to point out that you avoided answering my question with some odd sort of en passant, addressing another commenter.

Bush has said that he doesn't question Kerry's record. Why do you? Is it because:

A. You think Bush is lying
B. You think Bush is a fool
C. You are lying
D. You are a fool

Are there other possibilities?

Thanks in advance.

Grumpy, have you been to the Swift Boat Veterans' web site recently?

I was looking at their latest news page, and couldn't help but notice that it made no mention of the news that Lambert made late last week. He was the guy who said Thurlow couldn't have seen what he thought he saw because he was too distracted, in the Fox item I mentioned earlier.

The same page also makes no mention of Rood (the editor at the Chicago Tribune who broke 35 years of silence last weekend and said he was there and Kerry did what he says he did).

Personally, I think the Swift Boat Veterans would have a better case if they talked about these accounts. Are they somewhere else? (I wonder why they're not on their "latest" page...)

Once you get past your seemingly knee-jerk "Frank you're an idiot/ass/complete jerk" explosion, I look forward to what you have to say.

Are there other possibilities?

Sure- the same one's I've already mentioned:

1/ Kerry is a liar
2/ You are an idiot

---So you can't find mention of one particular item listed where you decided they should have put it.

You really are a stupid ass.

Try doing a search on the discussion site for Lambert and Rood. You'll get pages of results.

Try actually reading the section on latest news- at least read the first story posted, before you post your knee-jerk reaction.

You are an idiot. That's not a knee-jerk reaction at all, it's a documented analysis.

I don't see any mention of you writing any of the site moderators with your questions. Be sure to mention you are an idiot and don't know how to use a computer, otherwise they get a little testy with people asking questions who make no attempt to find anything out themselves.

I don't find a post from Frank on this site addressing any of the issues raised in the posts.

That's why I've said you are an idiot/ass/complete jerk.

And don't forget to add liar and the fact that I question your patriotism. Those are both key points in my assessment of both you and John Kerry.

Stay away from medical personnel, If not for your knee jerk reactions, someone might pronounce you dead.

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Ah, Grumpy, that settles it for me. I won't need to reread the Cyclops episode in Ulysses any time soon.

OK, Grumpy, let's work with the two possibilities which you offered.

Let's temporarily accept number 1, "Kerry is a liar." Bush said he had no questions about Kerry's service, thinks he performed it honorably. Then is Bush a fool? (How you you interpret Bush's comment, I guess is the point.)

Next, let's temporarily accept number 2, that I am an idiot. How does that impact the question I've asked regarding Bush's defense of Kerry's record?

Perhaps I am an idiot, but your position on the logical reaction to Bush's defense hasn't been clear. The logical reaction to your comments however, is quite clear. You're not coming to New York, are you?

1/ I interpreted Bush's remarks as politically astute. Idiots will have trouble grasping the nuances.

2/ You're too busy trying to play "gotcha" games to comprehend that nothing Bush says or doesn't say changes the fact that Kerry is a liar.

3/ Haven't decided yet about going to the city.
Have you made a decision about checking out a support group for BDS?

Grumpy, if Kerry is indeed a liar about his record, and Bush defends it, what does that make Bush?

And don't plead 'nuance,' that's not your guy's game.

The bottom line :

it makes Kerry a liar,
makes you an idiot,
and makes Bush the President- again.

Grumpy, I think it makes you the idiot, because not only could you not see your way out of the conundrum Tad posed, but you couldn't generate this alternative: Bush wants to distance himself from those who are working on his behalf.

When Bush is saying he refuses to question Kerry's Vietnam service, he is politically saying that he doesn't believe it to be an issue for this campaign and he finds it difficult to believe that Kerry feels that way. Others are doing a fine job of questioning it, and the Bush/Cheney campaign will not impugn his military service. Why should they? There is more than enough material on public record from 20 years in the Senate to convince the voting public that Kerry is not the man for the Presidency. Only Kerry supporters could possibly twist this gentlemanly response into something different.

I don't think conundrum means what you think it means Frank.

Kerry is a liar.

Commenting on what Bush says or doesn't say can't change that.
Even more certainly, commenting on what I say or don't say won't change it.
It's impossible for you or anyone else to comment on anything meaningfuly by way of what Kerry says- because he keeps changing what he says.

There's a conundrum for you , Frank.
Idiot.

Grumpy, Kerry may be a liar, but you'll need better evidence. What's been presented as "proof" is not.

Bush has supported Kerry's military record for two reasons:

• He knows he has surrogates to drag it down.


• He knows that his own service record deserves far less respect, and he cannot affor to have it be an issue.
  

That's all it is.

Frank, you need to understand what evidence is.

The evidence so far consists mostly of testimonies. The preponderance of testimonies claim that Kerry has lied repeatedly about his service record. The fact that Kerry has changed the stories and that his own campaign staff and campaign site has changed and removed stories gives no credence to Kerry.

There is ample evidence from Kerry's own written record and records of testimony before the Senate that he made charges about other soldiers that were unfounded. It is a matter of record that several of those at the "Winter Soldier" event were not veterans and never served in Vietnam at all. They lied. That was the basis of the testimony Kerry gave to the Senate.

If - as I suggested several times- you had bothered to investigate this through actually reading the evidence presented by those making the charges, the Swift Vets for Truth- and directing your questions to them, you would know and understand the issues and evidence involved.

John Kerry's commanding officer has stated he never signed the first Purple Heart request. Who did?

It's John Kerry who won't release the records.

There is no evidence at all for any trip to Cambodia. John Kerry won't release the records.

There is no such thing as a Silver Star "with Valor". John Kerry won't release the records.

Your claim-- that Kerry's record is more deserving of respect-- is nothing more than your opinion. What does your opinion have to do with anything?
Respect is another one of those words that doesn't mean what you think it means.

You are an idiot. An idiot who continually makes the same deliberate choices over and over to remain an idiot. Pretty pathetic for an adult.

Jeez, Grumpy, you call me an idiot so much, it's the stupidest refrain. And it debases you. Give me one damned reason why I should bother to have a polite conversation with you? Why should I answer anyone so infantile as you? You're a putz -- sign me up with Sam as being proud to say you're a Bush supporter.

When you're civil, I'll talk to you.

Frank, you made a mistake in your last post, I think. Even should Grumpy be civil, you still shouldn't talk to him. Just as every message board gets trolls, it also gets an unthinking Rotweiler that hews to the party line unthinkingly, rejecting every opportunity to grow into a human being and reason with discussion.

In Grumpy's case, it's a wonder he corresponds at all: I suspect that one hand is perpetually busy, so perhaps he uses speech recognition software. At any rate, he has yet to figure out that the Swift Boat Veterans' case is shot: he cannot deal with Rood and so on, and resorts to sending you off to some silly web site. The reason he does that is because he can't comprehend the story, and has to rely on others. He does not see that the Swifties have lost their credibility. No juror would believe them.

Look at how he writes: he can barely form sentences. A guy walks into a bar, and clears the place out. He's a putz.

You were doing so well, talking over his head to others. I have no idea whether or not others heard you, but Grumpy is no concern: he's the mindless cohort.

Frank, You've never had any kind of conversation with me. I resent the slur.

Only an idiot would wonder why no one is having a polite conversation with you. No one could have any conversation with you- except another idiot.

See the above.

You've never had any discussed anything about the articles or any question you've been asked.

Kerry is a liar.

You're an idiot and a foul excuse for an American citizen.

The Swifvets have not been debunked, contrary to the claims of the leftist press.

People who tell lies have to change their stories, as the Kerry people have. People who tell the truth keep telling the same story, as the Swiftvets have.

Even Kerry's biographer is getting worried he's going to have to rewrite his book, and it's only been on the shelves a few months.

ALL avilable evidence says Kerry is the liar!

Pretending to find "new" information, the Wahabington Post merely gives us the same disinfo from a different source and claims it as proof Kerry is right. Nonsense!

Other issues are equally distorted by the Left.

Kerry would have us believe Bush enlisted in the Guard to avoid service. Yeah, right! Behind the console of an F-102 at mach1 and 30,000 ft is safe? I can just see Dubia saying, "oops!"

But then there's Kerry who tried to get a deferment to sudy in FRANCE, of all places. When the Selective Service said an unequivocal "Non," he enlisted in the Naval Reserves, NOT the Navy. (In the 60's the reserve was the other "safe haven" besides the Guard to avoid 'Nam) It was just his dumb luck, as it could easily have been Bush's, to be sent there. Kerry was no volunteer!

Bush's band of brothers have said he fulfilled his duty, with no dissenters, and his record (he's authorized release of all of it, and Kerry HAS NOT) support him. Kerry, on the other hand, was supposed to have been released to the Ready Reserve from '70 - '72, when he would have been required to go to meetings. There's no record of that.

Kerry's purple hearts, ...don't get me started. My Dad was at Guadalcanal with the First Marines. He had the skin of his lips torn off by an enemy bullet. When I heard that I, being an impressionable kid at the time, asked him to see his purple heart. He said he could have gotten one, but it wouldn't be right for just a scratch, especially when there were so many who had REAL wounds!

The Navy has agreed to investigate some of Kerry's medals, which is good news, especially when the Admiral who supposedly signed his unheard of third revision of the Silver Star citation (with combat V, which is NEVER awarded with the Silver Star) says it was news to him.

This is just the tip of the iceberg. There is so much verifyable dirt on Kerry out there from reliable sources on both the Left and the Right, that anyone who can't find it, isn't looking.

Well, that's all I have to say about that.

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Seems to me, if it hasn't already been done, Flip Flop, liar Kerry's military records
can be obtained via the Freedom of Information act???? If it has already been done, why hasn't it been puclished?
If not, SOMEBODY needs to get it done ASAP.

Seems to me, if it hasn't already been done, Flip Flop, liar Kerry's military records
can be obtained via the Freedom of Information act???? If it has already been done, why hasn't it been puclished?
If not, SOMEBODY needs to get it done ASAP.

VERY good question; why hasn't it been pursued? Are they more interested in raising suspicion than resolving the truth?

I really don't know.

I don't know all the details of what is available under the FOIA, but obviously simply asking for a government record doesn't make any and everything available.

I do know that if Kerry signed the release form that would be that.

Technically, he hasn't "refused". He just han't done it. His story is he's very busy and hasn't had time.

Maybe he could ask Dan Rather if Dan knows anyone who could make a half-decent forgery and mail it in for him.

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